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Thread: Is HTML5 Builder part of Rad Studio 10 Seattle, or not?



Permlink Replies: 5 - Last Post: Nov 30, 2015 10:29 AM Last Post By: Erick Engelke
Ken Hoyes

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Is HTML5 Builder part of Rad Studio 10 Seattle, or not?
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  Posted: Nov 27, 2015 8:15 AM
I'm confused.

If I google HTML5 Builder it leads me to an Embarcadero page describing Rad Studio 10 Seattle which it says consists of Delphi, C++ Builder and HTML5 Builder. It clearly says that HTML5 Builder is part of Rad Studio 10 Seattle.

If I google Rad Studio 10 it takes me to a similar but different page describing Rad Studio 10 Seattle that makes no mention of HTML5 Builder at all.

I also looked inside an installation of Rad Studio 8 and found no mention of HTML5 Builder - following the documentation links, it was shown in faint but did have a working link to a section that implied it was a separate product that needed to be installed and purchased.

So, my questions are simple, about HTML5 Builder:

1 - Is it a standard and inclusive component of all versions of Rad Studio 10 Seattle?

2 - Is it an addition to RAD Studio 10 Seattle and, if so, is it charged for as an extra?

3 - Does it still exist?

4 - Is Embarcadero's apparent reluctance to mention HTML5 Builder an indication of how the company view and support the product?

Thanks, replies will be appreciated.
Ken Hoyes

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Re: Is HTML5 Builder part of Rad Studio 10 Seattle, or not?
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  Posted: Nov 27, 2015 5:13 PM   in response to: Ken Hoyes in response to: Ken Hoyes
I have installed the RAD Studio 10 Seattle trial - no mention of HTML5 Builder other than a link to documentation!

I'm pulling my hair out here (and there isn't much of it) - Embarcadero say the only way of getting HTML5 Builder is as part of Rad Studio, Rad Studio documentation points to HTML5 Builder XE5 with a link to get a trial that takes me right back to the Rad Studio 10 Seattle page ...

Please, somebody put me out of misery, and at least tell me whether this product exists or am I chasing a ghost. How do I find or get it?
Boris Arko

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Re: Is HTML5 Builder part of Rad Studio 10 Seattle, or not?
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  Posted: Nov 28, 2015 12:51 PM   in response to: Ken Hoyes in response to: Ken Hoyes
Ken Hoyes wrote:
I have installed the RAD Studio 10 Seattle trial - no mention of HTML5 Builder other than a link to documentation!

I'm pulling my hair out here (and there isn't much of it) - Embarcadero say the only way of getting HTML5 Builder is as part of Rad Studio, Rad Studio documentation points to HTML5 Builder XE5 with a link to get a trial that takes me right back to the Rad Studio 10 Seattle page ...

Please, somebody put me out of misery, and at least tell me whether this product exists or am I chasing a ghost. How do I find or get it?

Maybe you look for this link: https://downloads.embarcadero.com/free/html5builder
Ken Hoyes

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Re: Is HTML5 Builder part of Rad Studio 10 Seattle, or not?
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  Posted: Nov 29, 2015 12:15 AM   in response to: Boris Arko in response to: Boris Arko
Thank you so much, that's it, problem solved. Going from the Embarcadero web-site, i can't find a way to that page.
quinn wildman

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Re: Is HTML5 Builder part of Rad Studio 10 Seattle, or not?
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  Posted: Nov 30, 2015 9:40 AM   in response to: Ken Hoyes in response to: Ken Hoyes
Ken Hoyes wrote:

1 - Is it a standard and inclusive component of all versions of Rad Studio 10 Seattle?

Yes.

2 - Is it an addition to RAD Studio 10 Seattle and, if so, is it charged for as an extra?

There is no extra charge. You do have to download it and install it
separately. Have a look at available_downloads_xx.html which appears at
the end of a Rad Studio install. It describes who is entitled to it and
how to get it.

3 - Does it still exist?

I hope my above statements clearly show it does exist. You also might
want to visit http://www.embarcadero.com/products/HTML5-Builder. If it
makes a difference, I can provide you various other links to show that
HTML5 Builder is included with Rad Studio.

Note that HTML5 Builder is not available as a stand alone purchase. It
is not included with a purchase of just Delphi or C++ Builder.
Erick Engelke

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Re: Is HTML5 Builder part of Rad Studio 10 Seattle, or not?
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  Posted: Nov 30, 2015 10:29 AM   in response to: quinn wildman in response to: quinn wildman
quinn wildman wrote:
Ken Hoyes wrote:
3 - Does it still exist?

I hope my above statements clearly show it does exist. You also might
want to visit http://www.embarcadero.com/products/HTML5-Builder. If it
makes a difference, I can provide you various other links to show that
HTML5 Builder is included with Rad Studio.

Embarcadero <backspace><backspace... whoever... is going through flux AND changing priorities. They are still in business and doing well. And for all our complaints about lack of updates, it's last update was XE5 which was not terribly long ago, just not as aggressive an update schedule as we are used to .

Are you (OP) afraid of a dying product? HTML5 Builder was a major rewrite of Delphi for PHP also known as RadPHP in some versions. They put a lot of effort into it.
It's now suitable for doing serious work, I know because I've done several major web apps with it. You just need to know how to work it.

I think they felt they would better focus their energies on the real money makers for the last year or so - which they really had to do because of the upgrades to IOS, Android, OS/X, Windows 10 OS's, and promsing linux support on their roadmap. Most of what they have promised has been delivered in the Delphi/C++ world. I hope they will do another H5B update within the next 12 months, mostly to fix the few reported bugs.

Personally, I think they're not sure how to best capitalize on their HTML5 Builder investment. I think not selling as a standalone option was a bad move, but perhaps that's because they know they must put effort into documentation and support. But the market has responded, both of the authors of the two books on the subject had to do a lot of exploration to come up with useful documentation (I was one of them).

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Erick Engelke
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